Why fall off tiles in the bathroom?

Why fall off tiles in the bathroom or in the kitchen? This issue is of concern to many novice developers.

Experience professional tilers say that the quality of the preparation of the wall depends on the success of 90%.

That's just what is the correct preparation of the base and the sticker on the tile it? Investigated with FORUMHOUSE users!

May fall off the old tiles and glued recently. In the first case the cause of the fall may be a loss of adhesive ability composition, retaining the tile on the wall, or the deformation (shrinkage) of the wall. In the second case, this is due to improperly prepared surface, disturbances of attaching tiles technology or incorrectly selected tile adhesive.

Therefore, before you start laying the tiles, it is necessary to think - on what surface it is adhered. It is one thing - to lay the tiles in a wooden cottage, and quite another - in the stone.

For example, the wooden house sits for a long time. If you stick the tiles on the wall, which is rigidly connected with the elements of a wooden house construction, the tiles will soon fall.

baza1978 (Member FORUMHOUSE):

- I have a house made of logs. I think to glue the tiles in the bathroom so: is a metal ceiling profile, which is used for screwing drywall 47x17 mm, 500 mm, fastening it to the wooden hangers uprights. In the corners, vertical mount the guide profile. Ceiling and basic profile will not be fixed rigidly.

Thus, the moisture-resistant gypsum board, which is used as the base for tile without It will "firmly" attached to the supporting structures of the wooden house, and be a little "walk" along with frame. But there are some nuances.

Flint-71(Member FORUMHOUSE):

- I'm in the bathroom walls are covered GVLV guides. After some time in the tiles went vertical cracks in two places, exactly where the joints of two sheets. What could be the reason?

With this scheme, preparing the substrate is important to provide overall rigidity of the supporting frame of metal profiles. And before to lay the tiles, it is necessary to make waterproofing to protect the substrate from excessive moisture. There is also a particular tile in a house built of SIP panels.

Ganfayter (Member FORUMHOUSE):

- When I decided to put a new bathroom tile, you must first remove all the old tiles, then screwed sheets moisture-resistant gypsum board, treated him and waterproofing compound, providing protection against mold and then I put a tile. Since then, it's been 3 years and tile hanging as nailed.

Consider the typical situation that arises for many developers. There are some areas, such as a bathroom where you want to put a tile. Where to begin? The actions can be broken down in the following points:

1. Wash off whitewash or paint tear (if any).

2. If the walls in the house are plastered or concrete, they must also be primed composition that increases the adhesion of tile adhesive.

Base Tile should be dry, smooth and carefully cleaned of paint, oil, dirt and dust.

It is also important to choose glue. For each type of tiles (different size and weight) and for different operating conditions (wet, dry room) has its own adhesive mortars. If large-format tile is glued, then glue it is selected in accordance with the manufacturer's recommendations. Otherwise tiles fall off.

EsKor(Member FORUMHOUSE):

- Advise before applying tiles everything as it should cover the primer and allow to dry. Almost all modern tile adhesives are applied to the dry surface. and write in the instructions: "Do not wet!". If the wall in the bathroom is decorated with stucco, since the gypsum hygroscopic, to priming a wall should be treated with special care.

If the instructions to the primer is written that the tiles can be put only in a day, then you need to follow the recommendations, and not to engage in "amateur" and hurry.

Alterations are always more expensive than originally quality work.

Sometimes you have to do repair in older homes, where the wall is literally crumbling before our eyes. How to be in this case - to resort to expensive foundation repair?

Pauline (Member FORUMHOUSE):

- When we glued the tiles in the kitchen, on the terrible wall with crumbling plaster polupesochnoy then used construction grid-serpyanku. Now, after almost two years, a tile from the wall, you can pull out only the "meat" so good it stuck to the grid.

Another common cause of the fall of the newly laid tiles - a violation of sticking technology. Widespread method of laying ceramic "slap" - the glue is applied not on the entire surface of the tile, and the dot. This is fundamentally the wrong approach! Such a "technology" leads to the appearance of voids between the tile and the base. As a result, tiles may fall or if it put the foot washing machines, broken off the edge of the tile.

To determine the presence of voids, you can just knock on the wall. Voiced sound produces a vacuum. Additionally, some "master" dub irregularities on the wall, by imposing excessively thick adhesive layer. In this case, the tile adhesive gives high shrinkage, cracks or tile flies away from the base.

Good husband(Member FORUMHOUSE):

- between the tiles and the wall should be a layer of glue, indicated in the instructions. Laying tiles on the so-called "bun" speaks volumes about the level of "master." Thus laid tile (due to voids) may crack during drilling. Except as trash, this work can not be called.

No voids between the tile and the wall should not be, especially on the floor. The glue must be applied evenly over the entire surface of the tile, with a notched trowel!

And in the event of disputes with foremen how to do it right, there SNIP 3.04.01-87 "Insulation and Finishing coatings", which is written: "When check monolithic coating adhesion and coating of hard tile materials with the underlying elements of tapping the floor should not be a change in the nature sound. Verified by tapping the entire surface of the floor in the center of the grid squares conditional to a cell size of at least 50x50 cm. "

In a wet basement is necessary to process the seams between the tiles with soil protection - and grout better preserved, and the moisture will not seep under the tile, which can eventually lead to its flaking.

Another indirect factor affecting the service life of the laid tiles, it is good ventilation in the humid environment. If it be neglected, the following may occur.

Leonid_57 (Member FORUMHOUSE):

- I spent two years ago put the tile in the bathroom. Like and I packed properly, but the seams are black in a year. Removed from the grout joints with the "Bulgarian" and again zater. Soon joints turned black again - why, maybe, bad grout?

Grout has nothing moreover, all the fault of the scourge of bathrooms with poor ventilation - black mold. It can save on the organization of proper ventilation. To learn how to do it, read in this article.

Summarizing

The tile in the bathroom was kept for a long time, should adhere to the following guidelines:

• The base must be smooth and dry. Free of wet glue on the base of the tile can not be!
• You must primed surface before laying the tiles, particularly if the walls crumble, or are finished with stucco.
• Tile adhesive is chosen specifically for wet areas.
• Glue on the tiles should be applied not "chunks" or "slaps" and special notched trowel, so-called "comb". With this method tile contacts the entire wall area and, accordingly, well-kept.
• If the wall is covered with paint, that on such a surface to glue the tiles can not. First, you need to remove paint or to make an ax frequent incisions on the wall. After that, be sure to prime the surface on which it is supposed to glue the tiles.

Technology gluing tiles from "A" to "Z" is here. To learn how to stick the tiles in a humid environment, users FORUMHOUSE can learn from this topic. All information on waterproofing the floor and walls of a shower of concrete screed collected here. "Repair of toilets with their own hands" - detailed photo report is available forumchanin this link. And this video It describes how beautifully laid tile in the kitchen.

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